Glad you were able to reply back Carolyn, I assumed you would be busy writing more articles on Elie Wisel lying to the public about his experiences. I have read more articles on your website, and you might be surprised to hear that I have a slight change in opinion, yes the tattoo not being where it should be is very strange, but I still don’t believe that calling this man a con is the right way to go about it and yes he could be lying about his experiences, but reading his novels, can you honestly tell me that someone can make all of that up? Can you tell me that you could write a novel like Night, lie about such a tragic experience such as the Holocaust. As I read further on in your articles it disgusts me to see that the many people who comment don’t believe the holocaust ever happened. This is quite ironic actually, Carolyn, you have evidence to prove that Elie Wisel is lying about his time in the concentration camps, and the proof you have is quite substantial, so how is it that with the proof that British soldiers brought from Bergen-Belsen and the numerous photos taken of the prisoners shown to the general public are disregarded and hundreds of testimonies from real survivors are just tossed aside(unless you are going to go on to prove every single survivor is lying and find proof to back that up). In my opinion, that’s real evidence, and yet people continue to deny the holocaust, and your site seems to support that as well, funny, isn’t it. I guess for most people, the truth is hard to swallow, and its easier to deny that millions of people died under the watch of the entire world and nothing was done for years; rather than accept that an entire race was almost abolished because of pure ignorance. Hope to hear from you soon Carolyn, and I read Hailey’s post, and I love her for that, why do you spend so much time trying to prove 1 man wrong, regardless if he’s never even set foot on a camp soil, the Nazi’s had a final plan to kill all Jews, they almost accomplished just that, the Allies took their sweet time getting to these camps and what do people says years later? “It’s a lie, Jewish people just want to hype up German hatred.” “Its all a Holohoax.”
It’s great to see what kind of world we live in………so far I don’t see any sites denying the Rwanda Genocide, so is that what’s next, worldwide denial of that, or can we just refer to all the videos of the dead bodies along the road…..OH WAIT, didn’t we see that in the concentration camps?

I welcome the opportunity to discuss with you all that you have brought up. But first I have to chide you for changing the subject. You gave up on defending Elie Wiesel very quickly, but you still don’t want to admit he lies. You admit the tattoo is not where it should be but you leave out that he says it is there. Doesn’t this alone make him something of a con man? What else would you call it? A liar? A mental case? A person who thinks he is above all rules and/or physical laws? Please explain to me why he would say he has an A-7713 tattoo on his arm when the rest of the world can see that he doesn’t. I’ll give you a hint: he is very ambitious; and he knows the Media will never bring it up, will never ask him about it. He knows the all-powerful Media is in the hands of His Friends.

You bring up his novels. How many of his novels have you read? Only Night? You ask if I could write such a novel without being in the camps. The answer is yes because others have done it; quite a few fraudulent concentration camp stories have been uncovered. Almost all holocaust survivor books are half fiction. There is so much literature about the camps out there, all you have to do is read it and then write your own. Also, Night has many un-credible and inaccurate passages (some even copied on the sidebar of this website) that have caused critics to question whether Wiesel was actually there — long before Myklos Grüner came on the scene with documents. In all sincerity, Sarah, I don’t think you could defend the book Night if you had to.

At this point you jump to Bergen-Belsen, since you have not made your case about Wiesel. This is what holocaust believers invariably do. But this website is only about Elie Wiesel. I stick to that so people can’t change the subject on me and go around in circles as you’re doing. It’s clear to me that you realize Elie Wiesel cannot be defended, as many are coming to realize, but you don’t want to talk about it. You say calling Wiesel a con is not the right way to go about it; that yes, he may be lying but his book is so good. This does not make sense. He is or he isn’t. The facts say he is, which you recognize.

You only sound silly, Sarah, because you’re trying to defend the indefensible. So you say to me: “why do you spend so much time trying to prove 1 man wrong, regardless if he’s never even set foot on a camp soil, the Nazi’s had a final plan to kill all Jews, they almost accomplished just that …” If the Nazi’s had such a plan (which has never been discovered) they certainly didn’t come close to killing all Jews. There were more Jews than ever shortly after the war, moving and emigrating all over the world. Real statistics prove it. The world has no shortage of Jews. But to get back to Elie Wiesel, do you admit he is a fraud? Are you really going to argue that whether he is or isn’t, he should be left alone and remain the icon of the Holocaust? Are you that comfortable with dishonesty? Should the Holocaust stand on fraud? These are serious questions you and all Jews should consider.

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1. by Sarah

   On November 29, 2011 at 12:56 am

   yes you can post it to letter of the week(here)

   I didn’t “chide” away from the subject, I just merely stated that I read further into your website, and said that I did question that tattoo, but so far, above all else I don’t believe that other garbage(no offense). My opinion will change though if Gruner’s court case turns out differently in January. I do tend to be judgmental, but in this case, am I really wrong? You are trying to prove this man wrong, but what satisfaction does that give you? If he ends up being a liar, well shame on him, its disgusting to see people who fabricate their story, but that doesn’t mean part of his story isnt true. Here’s a clue, we will in the 21st century, could it be he asked for the tattoo to be removed for personal reasons? Maybe he could’ve regretted it, realizing that would take away the evidence he has of being in the concentration camps. Calm down Carolyn, I am a student, I recently found Wisel’s book Night and decided to read it and learn more about him, and I’ve read many other holocaust survivor stories such as Anne Frank and Hana’s suitcase, so I guess you’re saying those are fake as well, since Anne didn’t document herself in the camps, and Hana died upon arrival therefore her brother’s story must be a lie, although he was in the concentration camps himself. Sorry to break it to you Carolyn but if you’re denying a holocaust story, you’re denying the whole holocaust in general, which means you have to address other facts as well, including my question on Bergen-Belsen. On Wisel, its true I am confused on his story so far, but that doesn’t mean I fully agree he’s a fake. You agree that calling him a con isn’t right, but its the name of your site ;) Haha, sorry I just find that funny. I never said his book was so good as you’ve stated, I merely said I find it hard for someone to replicate those experiences, but as you’ve stated people have, its too bad you can’t give me any other proof of that, can you? Just out of general curiosity and personal interest, I’d like to see that. I’d like to see your rendition of a recreation of the holocaust too, send me a copy if you ever have time to write it someday.I do tend to be judgmental, I’ll admit, but in this case, am I really wrong? Calling me silly? tsk, tsk, I am offended by that. Elie may or may not be a fraud, I can’t tell you that now of course, but I don’t deny people who have survived the holocaust, I have no right to, and I don’t demoralize anyone who has suffered that much. Carolyn you may be right, and maybe all these years of spending time trying to prove him wrong will pay off, or will it? Here’s where I prove you wrong, SS soldiers have testified on it and HAVE proven that there was a final solution to kill the Jewish population.You must be kidding, please don’t tell me that there were more jews shortly after the war, now that I have to call you out on Carolyn. Your telling me, millions of Jewish citizens were killed, and the outcome was that there “were more Jews than ever shortly after the war, moving and emigrating all over the world.” Of course they were emigrating, they were getting the hell out of Europe! Have you seen the statistics? The number of speakers of Yiddish dropping dramatically because of the Holocaust.Had the Nazi regime succeeded they probably would’ve headed on over to Asia and the middle east, and finished the job, in all honesty. Sure maybe now the world has no shortage of Jews, but it has quite a significant decrease than any other race, and it happened after WWII. Also out of personal interest, are you a holocaust denier? I know your site is aimed at proving Elie Wisel wrong, but just as a side note, that doesn’t mean its not still promoting the idea that the holocaust never existed.

   That’s all today, funny thing I spent a lot of time writing these posts, when I should be finishing my History homework, writing essays on Communist Russia.

    

2. by Carolyn

   On November 29, 2011 at 10:33 pm

   Dear Sarah,

   Your writing is “stream of consciousness” style. Have you studied that in school yet? It’s kind of like whatever comes into your head without reflection or correction—or proper punctuation. But I can follow it. I am replying only to the most glaring statements you made.

   Sarah: Sorry to break it to you Carolyn but if you’re denying a holocaust story, you’re denying the whole holocaust in general, which means you have to address other facts as well, including my question on Bergen-Belsen.

   Me: If I deny ‘a’ holocaust story (for example, Elie Wiesel’s) it does not mean I am denying the whole holocaust in general. Wiesel can be lying about being in the camps altogether, or about which camp/s he was in, or what his name was … any number of things. That doesn’t change the facts of the holocaust, whatever they might be. It does affect other people who have also lied in order to back up his story. Therefore, I don’t have to address Bergen-Belsen because it has nothing to do with Wiesel, and as I said: this website is only about Elie Wiesel. I already explained to you why. My explanation is valid so you are required to accept it under the conventions of civil debate/discussion.

   Sarah: You agree that calling him a con isn’t right, but itis the name of your site ;) Haha, sorry I just find that funny.

   Me: Where did I agree that calling him a con isn’t right? I did not agree to that. I do see him as purposefully putting something false over on the public – that is a con.

   Sarah: I merely said I find it hard for someone to replicate those experiences, but as you’ve stated people have, its too bad you can’t give me any other proof of that, can you?

   Me: “Angel at the Fence” by Herman Rosenblat; “The Painted Bird” by Jerzy Kosiński; “Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years” by Misha Defonseca; “Fragments” by Binjamin Wilkomirski. These are famous ones. Take a look here and see how easy it is to fool people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_memoirs

   Sarah: Calling me silly? tsk, tsk, I am offended by that.

   Me: I called you silly so I wouldn’t call you something worse. I’m being nice.

   Sarah: Here’s where I prove you wrong, SS soldiers have testified on it and HAVE proven that there was a final solution to kill the Jewish population.

   Me: SS personnel were coerced into signing confessions written by interrogators. Just like in the Soviet “show trials.” Anything could be done to SS soldiers at that time—anything.

   Sarah: Your telling me, millions of Jewish citizens were killed, and the outcome was that there “were more Jews than ever shortly after the war,

   Me: Yes, I’m telling you that, since millions were not killed. You tell me: what is a Jewish citizen? Was there a country called Jewland? Or Jewdom? Jews could only be citizens of a particular country, so they were Soviet citizens, Polish citizens, French citizens, etc. There were Jewish people, but not Jewish citizens.

   Sarah: The number of speakers of Yiddish dropping dramatically because of the Holocaust.

   Me: The Jews chose to live together in ghetto-like areas because they all spoke Yiddish together. The Gentiles did not speak Yiddish. Nobody forced the Jews to speak Yiddish. They wanted to be different, special and separate. Speaking Yiddish was part of that.

   How did your essay on Communist Russia turn out? Did you write about how the Bolshevik Revolution was led by the Jews?

    

3. by Sarah

   On December 2, 2011 at 5:17 am

   Hey Carolyn

   You know that’s funny, I guess I haven’t learned that. Probably because I immigrated to the USA when I was 10, so I apologize if my grammar and punctuation are terrible. I’m so sorry that the American public school system is corrupt and 50% don’t know how to teach.

   Okay, and that’s understandable, but in previous posts you have stated your opinion several times and you are denying it, so now you’re just confusing yourself…….and me. That’s mostly my own personal views, so you can feel free to not address the other proof such as Bergen-Belsen, but I ask that because you seem to be so knowledgeable about the Holocaust. It true that I have to accept it but I can also argue against it, but that said regardless of you denying it or not, your website still promotes hatred of the Jews who “supposedly” lied about their experiences in concentration camps. The information you provide against Elise Wisel being a liar, promotes the idea then that EVERY single person who survived the Holocaust is really just a fake cause they have no substantial evidence, except living it. You stated that calling him a con isn’t right in your response to my post on November 24th.“You say calling Wiesel a con is not the right way to go about it; that yes.” Unless of course you didn’t phrase that sentence correctly, or maybe my “silly” mind just didn’t understand it. Thank you for providing me with examples, but even that’s not accurate enough, sure those were either half or fully made up, but in the case of Rosenblat, he did exaggerate what happened, but it hasn’t been denied that he didn’t experience the Holocaust. So sure some survivors exaggerate, again, I don’t stand by it, its disgusting to see that. Though, not every survivor writes about the Holocaust just to gain money and attention, but rather it because they are interested in the Holocaust and merely get caught up in the process, and that’s when they cross a line when authors say its a real account of what happened to them. Oh Carolyn we’re not children here, you can say whatever you like, and I was kidding on the “silly” comment, lighten up. We’re grown adults here so feel free to state your full opinion, don’t hold back just because I’ve stated I’m a student. I’ve shown a few of my friends your site, but I guess its safe to say that I don’t post on here what they say about your comments, it would be too harsh and not appropriate. There is no proof of that statement, I’ve seen no documents or statements of SS soldiers saying they were coerced into signing confessions. You do realize they confessed after WW II ended, so how could “anything” been done to them, that would’ve happened during the war, and again there’s no proof of any SS soldier ever saying that they were forced to stay silent. Ahh but during the Soviet show trials, the politicians were executed regardless of whether they stated the truth or not, it did not matter, that was not the same case for the SS soldiers that were still alive after WW II.

   Carolyn: Yes, I’m telling you that, since millions were not killed.

   Oops, sorry, denying the Holocaust right there, again, even though you stated before that you don’t deny that it happened. I see what you’re getting at, but okay, they WERE NOT Jewish citizens, my apologies, they were Jewish people. So let me rephrase that again, the JEWISH PEOPLE were targeted and were being exterminated by SS soldiers during WWII. Is that better? As I recall the Nazi’s began taking over other countries, such as France, Poland, and even invading the Russia, so therefore they did enslave millions of Jewish people from those countries. I doubt that they chose to live together in “ghetto-like” areas, but I can’t necessarily say that’s false because I have no proof. What do you mean nobody forced the Jews to speak Yiddish?Of course no body forced them, what are you talking about, its their language, their culture. That sentence is absolutely ridiculous, I’m pretty sure the Jews didn’t ask to get exterminated, but they were being killed one by one for being ‘”different”, “special” and “separate”, I guess they must’ve been asking for it, huh? So because they decided to speak Yiddish, it was okay for them to be slaughtered, I’m sorry you need to get your facts straight there. There is full proof that the number of Yiddish speakers drastically decreased over the span of WW II, just gone of the face of the planet. Do you want to explain to me what happened to those 4-5 million people? You’ve stated earlier that millions were not killed, so I would really like to know where all of them went, because I know for a fact those 4-5 million Jews were not sent to Palestine or Asia, or America, because I’ve read the approx number of Jewish people that were sent to these areas, and it was less than a million.

   It’s been going great so far, thanks for asking! :) Actually I didn’t, I haven’t read into specific details just yet, so the rest of my rant can’t all be justified because I’ve just started learning about Russian history. I like how the people actually managed to overthrow there autocratic government, I commend them on that. The Russian people have suffered a lot, though I thought things were going fine under Lenin after his reforms when he created the N.E.P. Are you getting at the fact that the Jews did a bad thing leading the revolution? Trying to free themselves from terrible work conditions, famine, and autocratic rule.. Are you counting Stalin in that? I could say the same about Hitler and his SA and SS army, but it all comes down to the question of who’s worse? Stalin did kill more, but he was mentally insane, paranoia took over his life, resulting in the purges and the Holodomor. I don’t think Hitler was mentally insane, but maybe the part about targeting a whole race just because of your racist views didn’t settle well with the rest of the world. So who’s worse, Hitler or Stalin? My opinion is still Hitler because he did indeed kill less than Stalin did, but Hitler targeted racial status, whereas Stalin targeted social class. One is more controversial than the other, therefore it is has been talked about more in society. Did you also know millions of more Jews died in Russia and the Ukraine because of the famine’s and purges, so its still a losing situation for the Jews, but add that to the Holocaust, and look where you’re at now? Now do you have any sympathy for them? But everyone has a different opinion of course that they are entitled too, and I still think both men are sick ***** regardless. Anyways sorry about this, it was an off topic rant and I don’t want you getting all mad again about getting away from Elie Wisel.

    

4. by Carolyn

   On December 2, 2011 at 10:54 am

   Sarah,

   I have accepted your entire comment here–as you do such a good job of making my case for me!– but it is probably the last. I’m not sure your name is Sarah or that you are a student (of course I was never fully convinced but I like to give people a chance).

   I want to reply to your misquoting of what I have written. Luckily it’s there in black and white. I wrote on Nov. 25: “You say calling Wiesel a con is not the right way to go about it; that yes, [you say] he may be lying but his book is so good. This does not make sense. He is or he isn’t. The facts say he is, which you recognize.”

   You left off the rest of my statement. You are being tricky. It’s okay to leave off part of a long sentence, but not if it’s done to change the meaning of what was stated. And now you’re saying you only came to the U.S. when you were 10 years old, thus excusing your misunderstanding of the English language. You may be a troll having fun, but your fumbling attempts at defending Wiesel and the entire “Holocaust” story are enlightening to the readers. Here is another mistake from you: “The information you provide against Elise Wisel being a liar, promotes the idea then that EVERY single person who survived the Holocaust is really just a fake cause they have no substantial evidence, except living it. ”

   How wrong you are. If Elie Wiesel is proven a liar (which he has been), that does not mean every other survivor is a liar. They all have to be judged on their own merits (and many have been). But your people are afraid that losing faith in Elie Wiesel will cause all survivor stories to be suspect. That comes, however, from your people building him up into an idol without caring a fig about the truth of it. This includes the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum which is run by liars who come from among your people.

   You also wrote: “… your website still promotes hatred of the Jews who “supposedly” lied about their experiences in concentration camps.”

   No, this website promotes truth about Jews in concentration camps which feels like hatred to you. Truth=hatred … to you and most other Jews. Think about that.

   Sarah, what your friends say, and what you say, means nothing if it’s not backed up with evidence. The silliest thing you said was this: “You do realize [SS soldiers] confessed after WW II ended, so how could “anything” been done to them, that would’ve happened during the war, and again there’s no proof of any SS soldier ever saying that they were forced to stay silent.”
   Common sense should tell you that “after the war”, when they were in captivity, under arrest as “war criminals” by the Allies, is when “things could be done to them,” and were. During the war they were still part of an armed force or they were protected by the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War (except when the Allies ignored it). So most of the torture and coercion came after the war. At that time, being completely in control, the Allied occupiers could threaten them with harm to their families … and they did so.

   As you agree at the end of your comment, and as I have pointed out to you, the comments accepted should be about Elie Wiesel. So I will hold to that in the future.

    

5. by Sarah

   On December 2, 2011 at 5:18 am

   50% of teachers don’t know how to teach*

   sorry for the typo there.

    

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